Saturday links

Bobby Campbell artwork, see link for first item. 

“He who understands Speculative Masonry, old Abraham Orfali said, does not know despair, for every hour brings him new information to be absorbed and utilized.”

- Robert Anton Wilson, The Widow’s Son. More here. 

Joseph Matheny newsletter: Ong's Hat COMPLEAT now being released as podcast series. 

Latest Chaotopia newsletter from David Lee. He comments on the recent death of Pete Carroll.

"The Anarchists Who Thought Mao Was on Their Side." By Jesse Walker. John Cage? 

Interview with Rolling Stones biographer Bob Spitz. 

One more reminder: New reading group starts on May 25

 One more reminder that a new reading group begins on May 25, lead by Eric Wagner:  Charles Rosen’s The Classical Style: Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven. 

More details at a previous post.  Here again is Eric's statement: ""It pleases me to announce that we will begin a reading group on Charles Rosen’s The Classical Style: Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven. This book provides a great analysis of music dear to Bob Wilson, especially Beethoven’s Hammerklavier Sonata. Many people, including me, consider this book one of the best books on music ever written. We will begin on Monday, May 25. I recommend using the Expanded Edition of the text, but you may use the original edition if you would like to. I really look forward to this study group!"

I got my good condition used copy for less than $10 at BookFinder.com. 

As per usual, the way it works is that Eric writes a blog post and everyone else weighs in with comments. 

Here are Robert Anton Wilson's desert island recordings list, you'll see plenty from the guys Rosen writes about. 

The surprise in RAW's list is the one rock group, Iron Butterfly. My younger readers actually may not remember "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida." 

I mostly listen to classical music these days. but just for fun, here are 10 of my favorite rock music albums. I could have listed a few others, and I'm sure as soon as I hit "Publish," I'll think of something I wish I had included. 

Revolver, the Beatles.
Sticky Fingers, the Rolling Stones.
Out of Time, REM.
Speaking in Tongues, Talking Heads.
New Miserable Experience, the Gin Blossoms.
At Budokan, Cheap Trick.
Copper Blue, Sugar.
Aurora Gory Alice, Letters to Cleo.
Armed Forces, Elvis Costello and the Attractions.
Shake It Up, the Cars. 

RIP magicians Peter Carroll and Gordon White [UPDATED]

Bobby Campbell "Viking Funeral" image illustrating Bobby's obituary for Peter Carroll. 

British magician Peter Carroll and magician Gordon White, a native of Australia, both died recently.

In his latest newsletter, Bobby Campbell announced the news about Peter Carroll and quoted Robert Anton Wilson about Carroll: “The most original, and probably the most important, writer on Magick since Aleister Crowley."

Bobby added, "Liber Kaos, Liber Null & Psychonaut were rocket fuel for my imagination. I studied with him at the Maybe Logic Academy (I did the enclosed art for his course) where he pushed & challenged me in very valuable ways. <3<3<3

https://www.specularium.org/blog/the-wizard-has-gone

"In the first week of class Pete Carroll had us perform an "Illumination Ritual" according to a script he provided, this was my interpretation. "

Here is the Wikipedia bio.  And here is one of the online obit notices. 

There is also sad news about Gordon White, known as an author and for his Rune Soup website and podcast.  Here is part of the email that went out to Rune Soup members: "I write to share the heartbreaking news that Gordon has passed away.

"Gordon left this world while travelling in Peru - following his life's passion - learning and experiencing traditional magic and shamanic practice so he could continue to teach and help others successfully navigate life.

"Rune Soup - and you, the community - were Gordon's proudest achievement. I know many of you will feel his loss greatly. I encourage you to find each other, and your family and friends to help process his loss." (More information at the source). 

Here is a tribute on Substack.  And here is another. And Mitch Horowitz reacts. 

UPDATE: An exchange on Bluesky:

‪Sacerdos Vagans‬ ‪@sabi2.bsky.social‬ Gordon White was the MAGA uncle of occultism. If you really must post about his passing, you’re doing everyone a disservice if you don’t acknowledge the ugly parts of his legacy.

Tom Jackson‬‪@jacksontom.bsky.social‬ I was going to mention his politics, but I could not find an accurate summary anywhere. You are free to post a comment at the blog.

Bobby Campbell news roundup

 

Bobby Campbell usually has quite a bit of news when he issues a newsletter. That's especially true of the newsletter he issued this week, so I will highlight a couple of things and then encourage you to read the whole thing, with more news to follow later at this blog. 

The picture above is a cover reveal:

"BEHOLD! The cover for Tales of Illuminatus! "The First Trip" by Fraser Geesin! This is our first trade paperback and collects issues #1-3 :))) Available for pre-order as part of our Kickstarter campaign here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bobbycampbell/tales-of-illuminatus-3-opus-chao "

Also, Bobby has postponed plans for a Maybe Day gathering in Berkeley, California, this year; the meetup will be on the East Coast instead at a location to be announced. I hope it will be announced soon, as it's May and July 23 doesn't seem that far away. 

Nick Herbert on quantum tantra

 

Nick Herbert, RAW friend and hippie physicist,  often talks about his philosophy of quantum tantra. He now has a big post up, "I Want to Woo Her," that summarizes much of his philosophy, with links. 

While the new post has plenty of links, I am going to take the opportunity to link to one of my favorite Nick Herbert blog posts, "Nick Meets the Galactic Telepaths."  "For the next few days I was obsessed with this contact and tried to discover other members of the group. Some of my psychedelic pals in the Stanford psychology department were prime candidates but they all shrewdly denied being galactic telepaths."

Interesting Timothy Leary interview

 

Timothy Leary (public domain photo)

Mike Gathers wrote to me the other day, remarking, "I came across this Leary interview, and it seems really topical to current times." I thought it was a pretty good interview, too, from 1994, so I thought I would share it.  I liked this bit where he described himself:

"My profession is I’m a dissident philosopher. I’m from the school of Socrates – it’s humanism – the Socratic methods which appeared in Greece over 2,000 years ago, it reappeared as the romantic movement in the eighteenth century – it’s the same movement. It’s called humanism, and its motto is 'Think for yourself,' 'Question authority' and, as Socrates said, 'Know thyself.' The aim of human life is to develop yourself as a philosopher, and it goes along with what’s known as paganism or pantheism or polytheism – that divinity, the divine intelligence – is found within, and is not to be found in institutions. I have one further thing to say about this. This philosophy, which is over 5,000 years old, was assimilated and streamed through the Ganges 4,000 years ago and is the basis of Buddhism, it’s the basis of Taoism in China, it’s the basis of mystical Christianity and Islam – it’s that basically, the interest is Chaos."

A RAW article you may have missed

Well, I missed it -- I can't read everything! Maybe you missed it, too.

When I read Matt Thompson's excellent interview with Bobby Campbell (mentioned a few postings ago), I discovered another article by Matt that I had missed. 

"Happy Maybe Day - Robert Anton Wilson Music & TTRPG Connections," is an article Matt published last year on Maybe Day, and I'll just repeat Matt's summary sentence: "RAW is my favorite author, so to celebrate I am sharing some connections with his work to music and roleplaying games."

While the emphasis  is on RAW, there's a Shea connection, too: I learned something about Mike Shea's career as a writer and designer for tabletop role playing games.

If you want to explore a little bit more on the topic of "RAW and music," here is an old post about RAW's favorite recordings.  Here is another old blog post on musical tributes to RAW, although it seems a couple of the music videos are no longer available. 

The new Timothy Leary book is out

 

A new book, The Occult Timothy Leary: The Tarot, Magical States, and Post-Terrestrial Evolution by Joseph L. Flatley has just been released and is available from the usual bookstore sites, such as Barnes and Noble. (I don't want physical bookstores to perish from the Earth, so I've been emphasizing links to Barnes and Noble lately, but you can find it at "the usual place," too.)

I will read the book soon, but judging from this excellent new interview with Flatley at The Psychedelic Press, I am certain that many of you will find the book interesting. Here is one paragraph from Flatley which I hope will give you a taste:

"My attempt to bring Leary’s ideas more fully into occult practice was an experiment: do Leary and Wilson’s proposed correspondences between classical occult symbolism and Leary’s theories on space migration, personality development, and stages of evolution actually hold water? I’m pleased to report that there’s something to it. I think the seasoned tarot reader can use the practices in the book (tarot spreads and Learian revisions of the cards) to compliment their existing practice."

Read the whole thing, and then go to the comments, where Flatley deals with "Leary was a CIA agent" and "Leary treated all of this as a big joke."

Thank you to Michael Johnson for calling this interview to my attention. Mr. Flatley has agreed to speak to me, too, so look for that before too long. 

Bobby Campbell on the 'Ezra Pound problem'

Ezra Pound's mugshot photo (public domain photo).

[I recently posted on Michael Johnson's take on the "Ezra Pound problem," and offered some of my own views, and now Bobby Campbell has weighted in, in a comment to Michael's original piece. With Bobby's permission, here are his comments, "reprinted" here. The other comments to Michael's piece are interesting, too. -- The Management.]

By BOBBY CAMPBELL
Special guest blogger

Another wonderful addition to an endlessly fascinating subject!

Just one small clarification, I believe RAW told me that "The Cantos" did not contain any of Pound's Antisemitism, not that he himself was not antisemitic.

It was great seeing RAW's view on this from the 60's! Much more aligned with what I would expect from him. It seems like by 2005 he was done with the discourse and just wanted to enjoy Pound's poetry and not open that particular can of worms again.

Given the current state of affairs, and being in middle age rather than old age, I feel more obligated to muck around in the worm bins :)))

Separating the dancer from the dance seems a particularly inexact science, with endless caveats and a full spectrum of gray shades, wherein each individual needs to decide for themselves on a case by case basis.

And for myself at least, I feel that the acceptance or rejection of questionable artists seems automatic, based on a reaction of the total synergetic organism, and that my reasons emerge after the gut/instinctual decision, as backwards justification/rationalization, or more charitably, as an observation of tendencies.

Ezra Pound's work doesn't seem to me to currently bolster or advance any active fascist or antisemitic movement. Even at the time, apparently, Mussolini found Pound extremely annoying, and didn't want anything to do with him. His forays into these lamentable ideologies seem to have only produced profoundly embarrassing ephemera, for which he paid a high cost, with no apparent lasting damage. (I'm willing to be wrong about this, but I don't get the sense that the current wave of authoritarian fervor is drawing much inspiration from Pound's Ideogrammic Method, et, al.)

My attitude towards Pound has always been that we should strip him for parts. Take what works and put it towards human purposes and trash the rest. RAW's oeuvre has provided a convenient medium for this, in fact, for several questionable thinkers who produced useful work worth utilizing.

Someone like J.K. Rowling, on the other hand, seems quite intent on leveraging her platform and wealth for directing targeted harm towards vulnerable people.

I think if the art supports the artist who continues to do harm with that support, that constitutes an easy "no thank you" from me.

New Bobby Campbell interview

There's a really good new interview out of Bobby Campbell at Critical Hit Parader, a Substack newsletter written by Matt Thompson, a fellow Maybe Logic Academy alum of Bobby's.

Bobby refers to Robert Anton Wilson as "the Velvet Underground of writers," riffing on the old joke that only 100 people bought the first Velvets album, but they all went out and started a band. I often think about this analogy, too. Did I  come up with it independently or did Bobby put  in my brain?

In the interview, Bobby goes into a lot of interesting detail about his Tales of Illuminatus project, so if you recently pledged to the Kickstarter you'll want to read that. (It's not too late to pledge and get your own goodies.)

But my favorite part of the interview is toward the beginning, when Bobby talks about the kinds of people who like to read RAW, the readers who can deal with "this zen koan quality that requires imaginative speculation and interpretation," and with "the info-density, this embarrassment of memetic richness in his work." Bobby also  talks about RAW's relationship with Discordianism and similar groups and "the context within which many people find themselves discovering RAW, which typically tends to be at some sort of crisis or transformation point." A really good discussion.

I think maybe I fall more into the first group, the ones who can deal with relatively difficult prose and lots of information. I discovered Illuminatus! when I was in college, reading mainstream writers such as Vladimir Nabokov and the more challenging, interesting science fiction writers such as Roger Zelazny and Brian Aldiss. I thought Illuminatus! was one of the best novels I had ever run across. 

Critical Hit Parader is "focused on the intersection of rock music and tabletop roleplaying games." 

Science fiction news: Roger Zelazny and Ian Watson

Roger Zelazny

One of my favorite writers, Roger Zelazny, has received an Infinity Award from the Science Fiction Writers of America. It is similar to the organization's older Grandmaster Award, but it goes to writers who died before they could be declared a "grandmaster." Previous Infinity Award winners are Frank Herbert, Tanith Lee and Octavia Butler.

I haven't been able to determine if Robert Anton Wilson or Robert Shea were Zelazny fans (I asked Scott Apel and Mike Shea). Apel's Science Fiction: An Oral History, only $1 for the Kindle or the Nook, has an excellent interview with Zelazny.

Scott shared this background bit about the interview:

"At one point before I published Science Fiction: An Oral History, I considered including the stories of how we obtained the interviews, but opted to go with brief objective bios instead of personal anecdotes. But you might be interested in that story. When Briggs and I started working on the book, we knew we had to include RZ, but he lived in New Mexico at the time we were "down & out in Silicon Valley" and couldn't afford to travel there. (We'd earlier decided that we simply HAD to conduct these interviews in person rather than by mail or phone so that we could engage the writers in hopefully spirited discussions.) So we concocted a Grand Scheme: I was working in the largest used bookstore in Silicon Valley, and we specialized in science fiction. I convinced the owners that we should sponsor an "Author Reading" event, as other bookstores were doing, to draw in more customers, and lobbied for RZ. So they paid for him to travel to San Jose and do a reading. Since they put me in charge of the event, I was able to arrange in advance that he should sit for a 2-hour interview with me and Briggs, which he was happy to do. He seemed rather reserved at first, but as we were driving him to a party in Santa Cruz, Briggs happened to mention Aleister Crowley, and RZ almost jumped into the front seat of the car, he was so excited. 'You know Crowley? You know his work?' he screamed with joy. From then on, he was our new bestie. Later, we sat in Briggs' apartment and did the interview--you can hear us sucking on joint after joint on the tape (edited out for the text version, of course). We ended up getting along so well -- and he seemed so pleased with the interview -- that he insisted we send the book to his agent (as did Phil Dick). RZ's agent ended up screwing us, and when I mentioned this to RZ, his response was, 'I don't know what's happened to him. Over the past couple of years, he grew fangs.' "

I've noticed that the availability of Zelazny's work for the modern reader is rather spotty -- for example, there's no Kindle currently available for Lord of Light, has best-regarded novel. (Note that there's a listing at the link, but it says, "This edition of this title is not available for purchase in your country.") I tracked down the literary agency that handles Zelazny's estate, the Zeno Agency, and pointed out some of the problems. The guy who runs the agency, John Berlyne, apparently did not appreciate the feedback -- he wrote back and said I was "a little naïve" and I  "really don't have a clue of what is entailed." He also assured me he's working hard to preserve Zelazny's legacy: "I might argue that it is wonderful that Zelanzy work is handled by people who sees the value in his work and works tirelessly in difficult circumstances to ensure the author's name is not forgotten." I wrote on April 20 and as of today, Lord of Light is not available as an ebook, but I guess he's on the case. 

One final point about Zelazny: An old friend of mine, Brett Cox, wrote an excellent book about him. 

In other news, the British science fiction writer Ian Watson has died. It doesn't look like even British newspapers have given this much coverage, but he was a talented writer. 

Michael Johnson on 'The Ezra Pound Problem'

How does Ted Nugent connect to Ezra Pound? Read Michael's essay. Creative Commons photo, source. 

When A Non-Euclidian Perspective came out, I noted that it contained what I thought was the best RAW essay yet on how to deal with Ezra Pound's art and politics. More recently, I mentioned Pound while talking about Poul Anderson.

Michael Johnson references both that classic RAW essay and my Poul Anderson posting in what I think is one of his best Substack pieces, "The Ezra Pound Problem." 

Here is how Michael formulates the problem:

The Ezra Pound Problem in General: that conundrum faced by any of us when confronted by a favorite artist’s bad behavior, whatever it was. We make ongoing negotiations with this.

The Ezra Pound Problem in Particular: What any of us who like Ezra Pound’s work does with his ugliness. I’m mostly interested in what other poets and writers have thought about this, and some critics who seem compellingly informed.

Rather than trying to summarize what else Michael writes, I'll just suggest that everyone read it. 

In one of his footnotes  (Michael puts good stuff in the foornotes, you have to read them too, maybe his little homage to The Widow's Son?), Michael writes, " RAW had, by 1968, been reading Pound closely for 20 years. Anderson’s mistakes didn’t stand a chance with him. Are we all like this?"

Yes, I think so. I suspect that Wilson fell in love with Pound's poetry before he learned much about Pound's politics. I know I felt really blown away by Poul Anderson's Tau Zero, a hard science fiction novel with little emphasis on politics, and I think that left me open to being able to tolerate Anderson's mistakes and lesser moments. (If you have read a lot of science fiction, you can't help but notice that many science fiction writers, including many of my favorites, are decidedly inconsistent in quality, as compared to, say, Vladimir Nabokov, who to my knowledge never wrote a lousy book. This may be because many SF writers to stay alive had to write very quickly. Roger Zelazny is one of my favorites, but I'm not going to recommend To Die in Italbar to you. I once heard Zelazny say that after he quit his day job  to be a full time writer, he had to write many books in order to make a living, but that every few books would be a "bear down" book that got his full attention. So Anderson sometimes putting out mediocre stuff doesn't make him stand out in the genre.) 

BTW: One of the points Michael seems to document is that RAW did his best thinking about Pound in that early essay, and his discussion of Pound apparently deteriorated through the decades. 

What we read last month

The Sword of the Lictor is part of Gene Wolfe's four-novel The Book of the New Sun, which I've read several times. 

Here's Mark Brown's report for April:

Martian Time-Slip by Philip K. Dick  4/6 
The Future of Life by Edward O. Wilson   4/9   
The Sword of the Lictor by Gene Wolfe  4/13   
The Yellow Cross: The Story of the Last Cathars 1290-1329 by Rene Weiss   4/16 
The Neutronium Alchemist, Part 1: Consolidation by Peter F. Hamilton   4/23   
Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse  4/28

What I read last month:

No Man's Land, Volume 2, Sarah Hoyt.
No Man's Land, Volume 3, Sarah Hoyt.
The Underachiever, David A. Price.
Storm-Dragon, Dave Freer.
Meat Cove, Janice Weber.
The Star Fox, Poul Anderson.

As usual, the rest of you are invited to say in the comments what you read last month.