tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post9064717388993631555..comments2024-03-28T22:15:25.617-07:00Comments on RAWIllumination.net: Week 47, Illuminatus! online reading groupCleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-79436758399942094812015-01-17T06:50:49.244-08:002015-01-17T06:50:49.244-08:00JCG, What is interesting about the interpretation ...JCG, What is interesting about the interpretation is the idea that Illuminati techniques are very valuable, even if (for the purposes of the plot) the Illuminati serve as the bad guys.<br /><br />I keep focusing on politics, but your more philosophical approach is very interesting. <br /><br />Oz, well, at least the Egyptians have their pyramids, and a cheesy show doesn't damage them permanently. Afghanistan had wonderful big statues of the Buddha, and the Taliban blew them up. Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-36186354234773660652015-01-12T16:42:35.745-08:002015-01-12T16:42:35.745-08:00It is interesting to see how "Hagbard's s...It is interesting to see how "Hagbard's system" is explained by Stella on p.491. Particularly, after George states that he knows that everyone on the ship used to work for the Illuminati, Stella explains that in Hagbard's system, "He lets you see the puppet strings." Now, this could either mean that the Illuminati previously "pulled the strings," or, more in line with what I know about Wilson, it is the ego that lead people into robotic behavior. There is also a 3rd possible interpretation: that the Illuminati! is behind the culture industry, which only serves to the maligned purpose of inflaming the ego. <br />The poly-valent approach is prob. best, esp. if one considers the layering of Illuminati-ology and Buddhism in the line on p.493 "Looking for the gov. of Dorn. Looking for the Illuminati"<br />The selection from Hagbard's book certainly indicates an 'ego' oriented explanation of robotic behavior. JCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11273943256416418690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-10703513285856571022015-01-12T13:06:47.473-08:002015-01-12T13:06:47.473-08:00p. 491 - 492 - good summation of Gurdjieff/Crowley...p. 491 - 492 - good summation of Gurdjieff/Crowley style of teaching:<br /><br />"Hagbard's system," Stella said, "is very simple. He just gives you a good look at your own face in a mirror. He lets you see the puppet strings. It's still up to you to break them. He's never forced anyone to do anything that goes against their heart. Of course," she frowned in concentration, "he does maneuver you into places where you have to find out in a hurry just what your heart is saying to you..."<br /><br />The word "places" appears deliberately used to reference ch. 57 in the Book of Lies which looks related.<br /><br />Top of p. 498 = another way of saying True Will. <br /><br />p.499: He worked as a tourist guide, amusing himself by combining authentic Roman history with Cecil B. DeMille.<br /><br />Went to the pyramids at Gaza one night and they had closed off the area to charge admission for a laser light and sound show. We didn't go in, staying on a hill overlooking the spectacle which reminded me exactly of a cheesy Cecil B. DeMille film production. I thought quite seriously, 'the pyramids have been co-opted, turned into Egyptian Disneyland, this is the end of the world.' <br /><br />Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.com