tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post3247260940224469832..comments2024-03-28T22:15:25.617-07:00Comments on RAWIllumination.net: Cosmic Trigger online reading group, Week Eight! Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-16500392337296906982016-06-10T20:28:47.424-07:002016-06-10T20:28:47.424-07:00The FoolThe FoolDustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968801826154491945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-77891129167728857352016-06-06T19:04:20.790-07:002016-06-06T19:04:20.790-07:00The RemoverThe RemoverEric Wagnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312033917401203598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-91419745421912958732016-06-06T15:43:13.631-07:002016-06-06T15:43:13.631-07:00Yikes. Two comments from me labeled "removed ...Yikes. Two comments from me labeled "removed by the author". That looks suspicious.Rasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352273977312470292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-78566003650970134702016-06-06T15:40:32.011-07:002016-06-06T15:40:32.011-07:00Thanks Chas! No hurry! I was thinking of adding th...Thanks Chas! No hurry! I was thinking of adding the list to the book's Hilaritas Press page:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.hilaritaspress.com/portfolio-item/cosmic-trigger-1/" rel="nofollow">Hilaritas Press Cosmic Trigger 1 page</a>Rasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352273977312470292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-79203071922664966812016-06-06T15:38:30.381-07:002016-06-06T15:38:30.381-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352273977312470292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-83273039898171640432016-06-06T15:36:55.527-07:002016-06-06T15:36:55.527-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352273977312470292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-7350000803548132432016-06-06T14:27:56.852-07:002016-06-06T14:27:56.852-07:00Rasa--I'm putting that list together for you--...Rasa--I'm putting that list together for you--patience!chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-14541951840143057982016-06-06T13:32:21.379-07:002016-06-06T13:32:21.379-07:00The Materialist
The Shaman
The Hedonic Materialist...The Materialist<br />The Shaman<br />The Hedonic Materialist<br />The Skeptic<br />The Numerologist <br />The Playboy Editor<br />The Neurologician<br />The Reporter<br /><br />More anyone?<br /><br />I'm not sure this is the best way to get the definitive list of "Selves" Bob chose in Cosmic Trigger. In the back of my head I hear a voice saying, "You're the new publisher. You should be the definitive source for things like this." Then I think, right, the list should also include the page number where that Self first appears (in the new Hilaritas Press edition). Then The Publisher thinks, "No get back to work on releasing Quantum Psychology asap."Rasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352273977312470292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-34812066554180799452016-06-06T09:42:24.105-07:002016-06-06T09:42:24.105-07:00Rasa--
The Neurologician
The Reporter
Oz--
I ag...Rasa--<br /><br />The Neurologician<br />The Reporter<br /><br />Oz--<br /><br />I agree that Bob was not working a Nietzschean form of Eternal Return--and as I was out on the road today I heard this old nugget: <br /><br />An’ here I sit so patiently<br /> Waiting to find out what price<br /> You have to pay to get out of<br /> Going through all these things twice<br /><br />chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-72082124557144276442016-06-06T08:36:22.460-07:002016-06-06T08:36:22.460-07:00Thanks, Chas.
Thanks, Chas.<br />Eric Wagnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312033917401203598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-52736034588407589862016-06-05T20:12:19.957-07:002016-06-05T20:12:19.957-07:00The Materialist
The Shaman
The Hedonic Materialist...The Materialist<br />The Shaman<br />The Hedonic Materialist<br />The Skeptic<br />The Numerologist <br />The Playboy Editor<br /><br />more anyone?Rasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352273977312470292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-88634254434364667562016-06-05T11:55:01.215-07:002016-06-05T11:55:01.215-07:00Interesting that you write this, Chas:
"The ...Interesting that you write this, Chas:<br /><br />"The point was that the Space Lady comes back (and pre-figures) Lady Eris; the wave is that everything memorable in CT comes back again, transfigured, transformed, or simply dragging something in from the dark."<br /><br />as it aligns with my notion that RAW plays around with the concept of Eternal Recurrence in CT. He uses the word "recurrence" in the illustration of Reich a couple of pages back from this section (don't currently have the book for page #s). "The Murder of Christ: a Re-run" also suggests this concept. I don't think RAW subscribed to the popular interpretation of Eternal Recurrence - that everything forever repeats exactly the same way, more like as you put it, Chas. This opinion is based on RAW's response to answers in the Tales of the Tribe course when he posed the question of Eternal Recurrence in relation to Finnegans Wake. <br /><br />Rasa, building a list of the various identities RAW states in CT seems a good idea. Off the top of my head, I remember The Skeptic, The Numerologist and The Playboy Editor.Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-86552880772108289672016-06-04T12:31:50.506-07:002016-06-04T12:31:50.506-07:00Really good post! I've been swamped (pleasantl...Really good post! I've been swamped (pleasantly) with Hilaritas Press work, and I wish I had more time to spend with this reading group, but I've got a moment now . . .<br /><br />I think Bob remained interested in Discordianism throughout his life for a variety of reasons. Nostalgia probably played a part, but I think also because chaos, especially the seeming chaos of multiple perspectives, was central to his overall speculations. I say "speculations" instead of "philosophy " because I once asked Bob if he considered himself a philosopher. He replied, "No, I'm more of Speculator." But he was a very humorous and playful speculator. The Nasrudinesque playfulness of Discordianism seemed to fit in well with his personality. When you love the Pooka, you can't help but sometimes act like a Pooka.<br /><br />Maybe the Multiple Realities chapter is a good place to ask a question that's been tickling me since I was about half-way through editing this latest edition of Cosmic Trigger. One of my favorite features of Cosmic Trigger is the multiple perspectives Bob gives through his multiple characters/selves, The Materialist, The Shaman, The Hedonic Materialist, etc. I would love to see a list of all these Cosmic Trigger characters. Does anyone by chance have this, or could we build one?Rasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352273977312470292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-86565355295066677742016-06-04T06:39:48.612-07:002016-06-04T06:39:48.612-07:00One other Chekov element is the implied gun in the...One other Chekov element is the implied gun in the title!chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-1162204963997919802016-06-03T05:57:17.565-07:002016-06-03T05:57:17.565-07:00Quick note to Oz, Eric, and anyone else mystified ...Quick note to Oz, Eric, and anyone else mystified by the Chekov reference, which ties in the the Makinde Adeagbo post--I foolishly "took for granite" that everyone would pick up on Anton Chekovs dictum regarding memorable elements in the narrative:<br /><br />"Remove everything that has no relevance to the story. If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there."<br /><br />The point was that the Space Lady comes back (and pre-figures) Lady Eris; the wave is that everything memorable in CT comes back again, transfigured, transformed, or simply dragging something in from the dark.<br /><br />Eric--point regarding page numbers at heading received and agreed with.<br /><br />Tom--your musings on free speech and censorship reveal how much the political resides in the personal--our own firewalls can ultimately result in official policy! chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-69591539123551404332016-06-02T16:16:53.292-07:002016-06-02T16:16:53.292-07:00The Murder of Christ:
Although, I agree with the...The Murder of Christ: <br /><br />Although, I agree with the validity of Reich's theory of Muscular Armor, I am skeptical that so many symptoms can be attributed to only one root cause. I think there are several contributing causes. <br /><br />In ruminating about the reoccurring script of the murder of Christ on a mass (un)conscious level, I wonder about the Christ's we murder in our personal lives on an individual level. Those that we meet whose views trigger our own adverse reaction. I think the "learning mindset" referred to in a previous post is a way to prevent yourself from taking out too many Christs.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968801826154491945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-65523470605777206192016-06-01T18:47:37.791-07:002016-06-01T18:47:37.791-07:00RAW uses the word "libertarian" several ...RAW uses the word "libertarian" several times in the "Murder of Christ" chapter, and I was struck by his complaint that the ACLU and contemporary liberals would not recognize the political persecution of Timothy Leary for what it was. I can't help but think that RAW's self-identification as a "libertarian" at the time of the book's writing (he has called himself other things at different times) is connected to his strong support to civil liberties. I had thought the lack of support for civil liberties by (some elements of) the left was a modern development, but apparently Wilson noticed a similar instance back in the day.<br /><br />I would connect this with the sentence toward the end of the chapter, "This illustrates that one way to double your practical intelligence (awareness of detail) is to try to receive as many signals as possible from other humans, however wrong-headed their reality-map may seem, however dumb or boring they might sound at first." This is an argument for freedom of speech, and against censorship. I also see a connection with the Makinde post that Oz references. <br />Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-82887741855935906622016-06-01T16:12:29.348-07:002016-06-01T16:12:29.348-07:00Thanks for pointing out the eight circuit referenc...Thanks for pointing out the eight circuit reference, specifically circuit five. It illustrates th short-sightedness of one of my favorite circuits.<br /><br />I've become quite adept at tuning my nervous system....Just ask my wife. She says I edit out anything she is saying when watching tv. I actually caught myself doing it today. Maria Juana was present, but there was no yoga.<br />Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968801826154491945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-21413949456346201462016-06-01T13:18:32.830-07:002016-06-01T13:18:32.830-07:00I don't get your reference to Chekhov. It woul...I don't get your reference to Chekhov. It would help if you would put page number references at the beginning of each week's post. I find it interesting that Bob seemed to retain an interest in Discordianism to the end of his life.Eric Wagnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312033917401203598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-30716234789271339282016-05-31T17:51:13.484-07:002016-05-31T17:51:13.484-07:00Great write-up as always, Chas, though I confess t...Great write-up as always, Chas, though I confess to not getting the Chekov reference. The "Undoing Yourself" mention seems appropriate for this week as he uses some Reichian techniques, I believe; great exercises! The photo of Makinde Adeagbo at the top of the page today has a strong resemblance to a friend who emailed today for the first time in years.<br /><br />I find additional meanings in the title "The Murder of Christ: a Re-run." The previous chapter title "Multiple realities" precogs it. It's unusual to hyphenate rerun. Re = an alternate spelling for Ra, found in "The Egyptian Book of the Dead." Although, in our cultural brainwashing program Christ almost always automatically associates with Mr. and Mrs. Christ's son, Jesus, I suspect RAW intends the Crowley/occult use of the word as well - something like a post or function related to Tiphareth. In "Postcards to Probationers" (Equinox I:2 p. 196) Crowley essentially claims that his methods can produce this. Buddha, mentioned in the first paragraph, = a Christ, in this way. Then RAW seems to make distance from the Christian interpretation with "an Oriental Bill Graham" which recalls a famous passage from Nietszche arguing against Christianity calling it "an Oriental religion" in the process.<br /><br />"The Murder of Christ: a Re-run" obviously connects with Reich via his book; the re-run refers to Leary and his subsequent persecution, in my opinion. Leary clearly rates as a "Christ" using the "Postcards for Probationers" criteria - I strongly recommend reading that short essay or, at least the first two paragraphs, if it can be found.<br />http://hermetic.com/crowley/equinox/i/ii/eqi02016.html<br />... well look what the dog dragged in, that should help!<br /><br />Some gematria appears in the title that links to the "Book of Lies" further clarifying or obfuscating the occult interpretation. It's interesting that RAW starts the chapter with Leary's sham guru bit then introduces the Operation Mindfuck concept towards the end. It seems RAW acts very generously and kindly toward this dubious phase of Leary's career.<br /><br /><br /><br />Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-8075571692797943942016-05-30T06:47:07.137-07:002016-05-30T06:47:07.137-07:00Sorry for the typo: Joseph K.Sorry for the typo: Joseph K.Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-40544501441258291952016-05-30T06:45:26.807-07:002016-05-30T06:45:26.807-07:00p.49 in the aptly titled 'Multiple realities&#...p.49 in the aptly titled 'Multiple realities' chapter - "... this writer, whom we shall call Joesph K. ..." - this references "The Trial" by Franz Kakfka. The protagonist in that book is Josef K. "The Trial" accords well with Leary's and Reich's story told in the next chapter: "One of his best-known works, it tells the story of a man arrested and prosecuted by a remote, inaccessible authority, with the nature of his crime revealed neither to him nor to the reader"Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.com