tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post286649892140059155..comments2024-03-18T19:18:22.082-07:00Comments on RAWIllumination.net: Illuminatus! online reading group, week oneCleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-86332543762063478022016-11-03T02:38:28.213-07:002016-11-03T02:38:28.213-07:00JOINING THE ILLUMINATI BRINGS YOU INTO THE LIMELIG...JOINING THE ILLUMINATI BRINGS YOU INTO THE LIMELIGHT OF THE WORLD IN WHICH YOU LIVE IN TODAY. YOUR FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES ARE BROUGHT TO AN END. WE SUPPORT YOU BOTH FINANCIALLY AND MATERIALLY TO ENSURE YOU LIVE A COMFORTABLE LIFE. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH PART OF THE WORLD YOU LIVE IN. FROM THE UNITED STATES DOWN TO THE MOST REMOTE PART OF THE EARTH, WE BRING YOU ALL YOU WANT. BEING AN ILLITERATE OR A LITERATE IS NOT A BARRIER TO BEING A MILLIONAIRE BETWEEN TODAY AND THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. YOU BEING IN THIS OUR OFFICIAL PAGE TODAY SIGNIFIES THAT IT WAS ORDERED AND ARRANGED BY THE GREAT LUCIFER THAT FROM NOW ON, YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE THAT REAL AND INDEPENDENT HUMAN YOU HAVE ALWAYS WISHED YOU WERE. if you are interested, kindly Email: illimunatigrandmasters666@gmail.com or call +2349075400660 or add on whats-app +2347063628174 for you to be rich and famous today.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06933707965958319974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-50682005748091899232016-10-05T14:42:40.033-07:002016-10-05T14:42:40.033-07:00WELCOME TO THE GREAT BROTHERHOOD.
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I would like to add:
Can we ...Great comments all.<br />I would like to add:<br /><br />Can we challenge "the truth" of the first statement. "It was the year when they finally immanentized the Eschaton." Does it really happen?<br /><br />I love the part: "it is certainly some kind of stage in which we all play roles, most of us being very poorly coached and totally unrehearsed before the curtain rises."<br /><br />Howard the dolphin - There are many instances of Howard and his friend being referred to as dolphins or porpoises. I'm guessing each author called them on or the other. Talking to a friend, we thought dolphins hits the mark more closely with their level of intelligence and social behaviours.<br /><br />The statue of Tlaloc is 23ft and it apparently rained heavily when it was moved.<br /><br />"Where are we? Five hours away, I told you-five hours due west, to be precise." I couldn't work out the location of this to fit in with where Atlantis "is" later in the story.<br /><br />fuzzbuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17106070724735052653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-62496298780045501522014-03-26T13:54:40.801-07:002014-03-26T13:54:40.801-07:00I'm late for the start of the reading. Looking...I'm late for the start of the reading. Looking forward to everyone's comments. I was looking for where RAW mentions who out of him and Shea wrote which characters/parts. This interview mentions Illuminatus! somewhat:<br />http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/various-authors-illuminating-discord-an-interview-with-robert-anton-wilsonfuzzbuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17106070724735052653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-33003199802074197302014-03-04T19:04:18.660-08:002014-03-04T19:04:18.660-08:00p. 8: Kikuyu: a Bantu-speaking people of Kenya…23%...p. 8: <a rel="nofollow">Kikuyu</a>: a Bantu-speaking people of Kenya…23% of the population, according to Wikipedia. <br /><br />p. 9: “And if you should think…” Cp. The first section of “The Call of Cthulhu”: “Reports of unusual anxieties…”. <br /><br />p. 10: These scenes with Saul and Barney are straight police procedural a la Ed McBain. Also, Saul & Barney parallel Sherlock Holmes & Dr. Watson (Fedora=deerstalker).<br /><br />Rebecca Goodman: the resurrection/reincarnation of Sandra Goodman?<br /><br /> Also: in Genesis 24, when the servant who Abraham has sent to find a wife for Isaac first sees Rebecca she is drawing water from a well. More water symbolism.<br /><br /> “mouth-breeding”: should probably be <a rel="nofollow">mouth-brooding”</a>.<br /><br />p.11: “goyische narrs”. Saul’s father would probably have said “<i>goyishe narrenim</i>”.<br /><br /> <a rel="nofollow"><i>Charlie Chan at the Wax Museum</i></a>. One of the Sydney Toller movies.<br /><br />@ Cleavland Okie: the omniscient narrator carries all the character as part of him. Literary multiple personality?<br /><br />@Scott: “The match went out, and the shadows moved where nobody stirred.” A sentence that invokes both Chandler and Lovecraft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-12955429315926357992014-03-03T13:10:26.762-08:002014-03-03T13:10:26.762-08:00I was just re-reading for FW references. The last ...I was just re-reading for FW references. The last line in this post contains an extremely small spoiler. Proceed with caution.<br /><br />Illuminatus! loosely revolves around the actions that take place on "<i>Fernando Poo</i>" (not yet explained), an <i>island</i> which played part in helping Immanentize the Eschaton. <br /><br />Throughout Finnegans Wake, the so-called Golden Apple of Discord are the alleged actions that took place in"<i>Phoenix Park</i>," which is on the <i>island</i> of Ireland."<br /><br /><b>Fernando Poo, Phoenix Park</b>...<br /><br />They alliterate together (Fernando and Phoenix, Poo and Park). Both words of 'Fernando Poo' end with the same sound: o/oo; both words of 'Phoenix Park' end with the same sound: k/ks. Both have 11 characters total.<br /><br />And a really minor spoiler: the actions on Fernando Poo involve military forces. Likewise, in Finnegans Wake, the actions in Phoenix/Finnish/Phoenish/Foenix/Phornix Park involve soldiers.Yeroshkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14716877970381746040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-20083119714839980512014-03-03T12:07:02.069-08:002014-03-03T12:07:02.069-08:00I never saw "riverrun" in "Verwirru...I never saw "riverrun" in "Verwirrung..." (<i>rwirrun</i>) Very cool!<br /><br />The book begins with a revolving, first-person omniscient narrator, where the "true" protagonist (<b>I</b>) is really 1-<i>being</i> inhabiting different bodies at different times. I won't spoil "who" the 'I' is, since it's explained later...<br /><br />"I am not even sure who I am... I have found an identity as ringmaster... I am in Nairobi, Kenya, and my name is, if you will pardon me, Nkrumah Fubar... I find and identify a body, a self, a task. 'Goodman,' I say into the receiver..." (pg 7, 8, 8, 10) By the next page, though, it's shifted again. "As Barney Muldoon, I knew how I would feel if..." (pg 11)<br /><br />Then the narrator steps back and quits the revolving first-person perspective. The 'I' reels in its omniscience a little bit. <br /><br />From there forth, Saul and Barney's investigation is narrated from a more third-person 'objective' perspective, as the two discuss the bombing of Confrontation magazine's headquarters without any of the inner dialogue or 'I'-self-awareness intermixed in their conversation.<br /><br />Basically, some kind of non-local consciousness is floating around--dropping into different bodies--and it introduces the reader to two NYC detectives at the scene of a crime.Yeroshkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14716877970381746040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-56799481517313077562014-03-03T07:24:44.102-08:002014-03-03T07:24:44.102-08:00Thanks to everyone who is posting comments -- the ...Thanks to everyone who is posting comments -- the quality of the comments is very good. Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-18395582315407486452014-03-03T05:52:13.699-08:002014-03-03T05:52:13.699-08:00Great to see this lift off.
's all good,man.Great to see this lift off.<br /><br />'s all good,man.Bogus Magushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00707265560317895426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-80226850582500230192014-03-02T09:00:57.782-08:002014-03-02T09:00:57.782-08:00Illuminatus! begins with the Purple Sage opening h...Illuminatus! begins with the Purple Sage opening his mouth. Mouth = Pe = The Tower (tarot). Crowley's description of that card connects with 'The opening of the Eye of Horus.' Maybe related to the name of Part I The Eye in the Triangle.<br /><br />Obvious reference to Shakespeare's 'all the world is a stage' p.8<br /><br />Really like a line that follows closely after the 'collecting fish' line:<br /><br />"to have so many college graduates on the Force these days" - maybe a Star Wars pun that predates that series by at least 5 years. Also reminds me of this goup.<br /><br />Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-39424536897492154192014-02-28T04:50:46.525-08:002014-02-28T04:50:46.525-08:00"never know how well they're carrying the..."never know how well they're carrying their tragedies"<br /><br />yeah, I see now that it's a popular line and for a good reason. One I paraphrase probably once every month if not every week or like, whenever I find myself discussing the human condition with my buddies or talking some random jill or joe (lotsa randos back when I worked at the truckstop) through their tragedies.<br /><br />this quote and, "I never met an uninteresting person," are ones I paraphrase and claim as my own whenever I'm arguing against the typical, "the masses are stupid," bullshit line that seems so popular these days. If the masses are stupid and you question the masses, then why hold an opinion that's so fucking popular?<br /><br />Greetings and salutations! I'm here! Late for class in my typical fashion but here nonetheless!<br /><br />Bobby, I listen to audiobooks a lot. I like old time radio shows the most. Harder to pay attention to these days. Yes, less immersive than reading. Audiobooks seemed far more gripping and much less passive in my child-hood but as I became literate they lost some of their imaginary powers. I wonder if the modern world went through this same phase when transitioning from radio to television?<br /><br />I may not post next week but I will read right along with you folks. Considering turning my computer off for a week or a month... I do this from time to time and I don't own a cell-phone... awfully nice to take a break from the internet!phodecidushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15180270013030833624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-12985376530369608562014-02-27T06:43:16.604-08:002014-02-27T06:43:16.604-08:00@Apikoros, I think FeeJee Press may have answered ...@Apikoros, I think FeeJee Press may have answered your question about spoilers there. :) I'm willing to bet mosbunall folks that take part here have already read to the end... several times.gacordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664333796816042721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-13289730662478389802014-02-26T21:24:04.266-08:002014-02-26T21:24:04.266-08:00So, isn't it later revealed in LEVIATHAN that ...So, isn't it later revealed in LEVIATHAN that Hagbard's supercomputer FUCKUP is the unknown narrator at the beginning of the book in THE EYE IN THE PYRAMID? And that FUCKUP has been writing the book the entire time and learns his own identity as the narrator from this revelation?<br /><br />That basically the entire story is a "dream" of the computer's?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07467626578651934886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-10416598911735307062014-02-26T19:26:05.525-08:002014-02-26T19:26:05.525-08:00The numerology is rich in the intro, I think it is...The numerology is rich in the intro, I think it is richer here than most other places. For instance. The first sentence is 10 words long, which is the amount of sephira on the tree of life. The second sentence is 23 letters long, and it mentions both the fool, and Po breaking apart, which is the 23rd hexagram in the I ching, This hexagram is made up of keeping still and the receptive (like meditating). 10+23=33, which is the last degree in many mystical traditions and links to enlightenment. The narrator is not sure who he is, which happens during meditation.<br />Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11010170449210014578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-89124763909301988342014-02-26T18:40:36.517-08:002014-02-26T18:40:36.517-08:00@Scott, nice!@Scott, nice!gacordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664333796816042721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-51020830143485650462014-02-26T17:53:11.074-08:002014-02-26T17:53:11.074-08:00The Law of Fives
On the first page(7) I count 5 &q...The Law of Fives<br />On the first page(7) I count 5 "I am" and on the second(8) 5 more. I took this usage as an example of the Universal Consciousness communicating its presence.<br /><br />My new favorite line in this opening is now:"The match went out, and shadows moved where nobody stirred."Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697689188813800715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-42729020322181916892014-02-26T14:01:20.229-08:002014-02-26T14:01:20.229-08:00One of my favorite lines in the whole work, mentio...One of my favorite lines in the whole work, mentioned above, is "and never guess how well they are carrying their tragedies,". This line always gets me. I think it is foreshadowing to the great reveal of (Well, I am new to this are we allowed to use spoilers?) who Hagbard really is. He is carrying the greatest burden of all the characters, IMNSHO<br /><br />It also is just so powerful, and commenting on the Monkey sphere and other ideas that were not in vogue yet. Every character in the trilogy is flawed, even Eris. It doesn't matter though as they are all carrying there inner tragedies...Apikoroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15919402616370318957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-56486061879493980052014-02-26T12:12:59.563-08:002014-02-26T12:12:59.563-08:00Right on, @Michael!
I tend to be susceptible to t...Right on, @Michael!<br /><br />I tend to be susceptible to the things I read shaping how I think. When I read something w/ a distinct voice my stream o'consciousness tends to imitate the style. Reading feels to me like a form of synchronized thinking. <br /><br />So when I read the line "I'm not even sure who I am" it doesn't feel all that far removed from thinking the thought "I'm not even sure who I am," which then rings true and creates a kind of resonance between my thinking and the narration. Mutagenic literature!<br /><br />On the other hand when I hear the audio book say the line "I'm not even sure who I am," I more so react like, "Hey that guy doesn't know who he is."Bobby Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03809136879430277243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-32409957044839657732014-02-26T05:51:09.014-08:002014-02-26T05:51:09.014-08:00@Michael, I guess I assumed "I'm not even...@Michael, I guess I assumed "I'm not even sure who I am" was the authors speaking in a different voice.<br /><br />The link you put up on Free Indirect Discourse was very interesting. Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-46812477084728487472014-02-25T21:33:12.979-08:002014-02-25T21:33:12.979-08:00Whoever uploaded the video seems to have taken it ...Whoever uploaded the video seems to have taken it out himself. I have the audiobook and it is in there on my copy.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11010170449210014578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-35946228493631367852014-02-25T20:44:43.127-08:002014-02-25T20:44:43.127-08:00So I've never heard the audio book version of ...So I've never heard the audio book version of <i>Illuminatus!</i> by Ken Campbell... <br /><br />Is this youtube his reading or some other effort? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytpA9nZX3w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytpA9nZX3w</a>.<br /><br />The reason I point it out is the narration leaves out the quotation from the <i>The Honest Book of Truth</i>, which is odd.<br /><br />Also, as a teaser, some interesting info about <i>The Honest Book of Truth</i> will appear tomorrow morning (Feb 26) on <a href="http://historiadiscordia.com" rel="nofollow">Historia Discordia</a>.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07467626578651934886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-36199605478508381542014-02-25T19:30:14.479-08:002014-02-25T19:30:14.479-08:00The link between the Anarchist Goodman and the Fic...The link between the Anarchist Goodman and the Fictional Goodman seems to overt for it to be accidental. It also seems to be an allusion to the journey of Saul on the road to Damascus, maybe implying that although Saul (the fictional Goodman) has a great intellect he has yet to be enlightened. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11010170449210014578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-13161237408925077632014-02-25T18:20:41.795-08:002014-02-25T18:20:41.795-08:00Hope I’m not too late to the party… Just a few las...Hope I’m not too late to the party… Just a few last-minute tidbits.<br /> Saul Goodman seems a reference to the pacific anarchist Paul Goodman (Gestalt Therapy comes up later in the book) via the biblical Paul.<br /> I’ve been on a bit of a Baudrillard kick lately, drawing lots of parallels btwn R.A.W.’s various interests, especially Korzybski, and J. Baud’s concept of simulation/simulacra. I figure Illuminatus! fits right in.<br /> Found an essay in this collection that cites the immanentizing of the eschaton in the trilogy, but preview omissions curtail any further commentary. Has anyone read it? I’m trying to get my hands on a copy.<br />http://books.google.com/books?id=EuKJAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=post-Secular+Philosophy:+Between+Phil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tk0NU9qMFMvksAT3uoGICw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=robert%20anton%20wilson&f=false<br /><br />Loving the Verwirrung pun. Can't wait to see what else the group read generates. S.W. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05852883476129196173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-20052268813652763822014-02-25T17:02:13.503-08:002014-02-25T17:02:13.503-08:00The names in illuminatus are very telling. Nkrumah...The names in illuminatus are very telling. Nkrumah's name means Ninth born son, and Howards name means Noble Watchman.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11010170449210014578noreply@blogger.com