tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post2438047494605374119..comments2024-03-18T19:18:22.082-07:00Comments on RAWIllumination.net: 'Coincidance' Week OneCleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-65796169416946590152017-01-29T14:54:31.733-08:002017-01-29T14:54:31.733-08:00niceniceAllen jeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312119051975318074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-24889914882904288742014-03-05T22:04:59.893-08:002014-03-05T22:04:59.893-08:00@Illiaminated
Livio... the masculine form of Liv...@Illiaminated <br /><br />Livio... the masculine form of Livia.Yeroshkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14716877970381746040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-73371101401821900972013-09-22T04:50:39.844-07:002013-09-22T04:50:39.844-07:00Joyce's middle name was not Elaine, (unless yo...Joyce's middle name was not Elaine, (unless you mean that chick). Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06295898715064441029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-49494995039881801952013-09-17T18:09:07.518-07:002013-09-17T18:09:07.518-07:00Yes, Tom I do, it's a snapshot of leading edge...Yes, Tom I do, it's a snapshot of leading edge underground writing at the time.<br /><br />A verbal/numerical coincidence from the Semiotexte[e] article - RAW writes: <br /><br />"Looking into the Good Book (Finnegans Wake), we find that 11 runs through it like a refrain, usually as part of the mystery number 1132, which has largely baffled commentators; ..."<br /><br />In the Book of the Law, Nuit the sky Goddess says,<br /><br />"My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us."<br /><br />My copy of the book arrived today so I might have more to say after reading the first part.<br />Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-40862654355189340392013-09-17T08:28:58.530-07:002013-09-17T08:28:58.530-07:00OZ: Do you recommend the rest of Semiotexte[e]? I ...OZ: Do you recommend the rest of Semiotexte[e]? I ought to track down a copy.<br /><br />GARY: I believe that Eric Wagner used the 11:32 number by listening to each of Beethoven's 32 piano sonnets 11 times. Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-322954191010839432013-09-17T07:36:35.531-07:002013-09-17T07:36:35.531-07:00As long as I have gaelic on my mind (sorry folks, ...As long as I have gaelic on my mind (sorry folks, it's a big part of my reality tunnel right now) on pg. 9 RAW brings up the "thuartpeatrick" from FW 3 (Thou art Peter) I also see Tu (or Thou) art Patrick. But if use gaelic pronunciation "th" makes an "H" sound so it becomes Who art Patrick?/You art Patrick. So Joyce is asking us (rhetorically) who we are (and asking us to ask ourselves) and in the exact same statement answering it for us (or asking us to answer it for ourselves.) <br /><br />RAW then says "It is also the pea-trick by which language in FW says more than Logical Positivists think language can ever say." I think it's fun little bullshitting (of each other and of ourselves) like this in Joyce's work that ensnares some of us Joyce nerds and definitely so captured RAW, enough to keep him busy for decades at least.<br /><br />Also, since 1132 (and loads of 23 paradigms too boot) is all over FW I'll just say that every 32 is a 23 for me. In much the same way as Doug Adam's 42 is Leary's 24 conspiracies within any given group for me. Order, in this case, becomes irrelevant.<br />gacordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664333796816042721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-85098980222557531122013-09-16T20:51:52.811-07:002013-09-16T20:51:52.811-07:00In forewords RAW asks, perhaps rhetorically, why t...In forewords RAW asks, perhaps rhetorically, why there are 12 eggs in a grocers box and 12 citizens in a jurors box. I'm reading The Golden Ratio by Mario Livio and there is a theory briefly referenced that the old english usage of base 12 may be related to the segments of the fingers (excluding the thumb) or the joints including the knuckles.<br /><br />Livio also posits that the pythagorean correlation of 2 = feminine and 3 = masculine may be related to the configuration of breasts and male genitalia.<br /><br />Livio also mentions a biblical passage - 2 Samuel 23 which refers to a unit used for building called the "3 warriors" (3 soldiers anyone?). All in all it's quite a complementary work to be reading along with the first chapter of CoincidanceIlliaminatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090400668214422251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-44536709468552195482013-09-16T19:13:43.839-07:002013-09-16T19:13:43.839-07:00Ah, must be old gaelic. I hunted all over and cou...Ah, must be old gaelic. I hunted all over and couldn't find it. I'm sure, at the end of the day, RAW picked up plenty of Irish when he lived in Dublin. Admittedly I've only been studying for a few months now. Nonetheless, he's still often having one over on us. Now back to my note taking for the next entry... gacordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664333796816042721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-71266039642274915322013-09-16T16:07:49.656-07:002013-09-16T16:07:49.656-07:00McMahon means "Son of Bear" so obviously...McMahon means "Son of Bear" so obviously there is ome correllation between old gaelic word for bear and Mahon.Illiaminatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090400668214422251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-73947785728457621312013-09-16T15:39:34.255-07:002013-09-16T15:39:34.255-07:00My favourite part of RAW'S essays on the Wake ...My favourite part of RAW'S essays on the Wake is where he demonstrates the virtually impossible, interdependent loops of synchronicity that run all throughout FW. Joyce was writing on a level that was beyond human.znorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09870745426523284218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-50683985062553117272013-09-16T15:07:34.320-07:002013-09-16T15:07:34.320-07:00I also love the poem "A Wicker Basket" b...I also love the poem "A Wicker Basket" by Robert Creeley. I met Creeley at the Ezra Pound centennial in 1985. http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/171567Eric Wagnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312033917401203598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-36715082210494077232013-09-16T15:05:11.708-07:002013-09-16T15:05:11.708-07:00Coincidentally, the new issue of Sight and Sound f...Coincidentally, the new issue of Sight and Sound features "The Wicker Man" on the cover http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/sight-sound-october-2013-issue for the fortieth anniversary, and Bob mentions the wicker man on pg. 8.Eric Wagnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312033917401203598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-34800919507027786452013-09-16T14:59:08.107-07:002013-09-16T14:59:08.107-07:00I loved that piece in Semiotext[e].
On page 5 of ...I loved that piece in Semiotext[e].<br /><br />On page 5 of Coincidance, Bob calls February 2 James Stephens' birthday. Actually, Stephens, an orphan, didn't know his birthday, but he chose February 2 and he chose to name himself after the Fenian leader James Stephens.<br /><br />In terms of typos, Bob and Ezra Pound tended to have a few. I still love their books and value them. I regret typos in my book as well.Eric Wagnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312033917401203598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-87588565263180868062013-09-16T14:33:04.573-07:002013-09-16T14:33:04.573-07:00I have another copy of Coincidance on the way any ...I have another copy of Coincidance on the way any day now. It's one of my RAW favorites.<br /><br />The full title, of course, is Coincidance: A Head Test. <br /><br />Before the book, RAW used the title Coincidance for a lengthy piece on Finnegans Wake that appeared in Semiotexte[e] USA (p. 155), a compendium of cutting edge articles put together by Peter Lamborn Wilson in 1987.<br /><br />Wilson begins this piece like you would notate a magick experiment:<br /><br />"This experiment was begun at 11:54 a.m., 6 May 1985 in a house on the hill of Howth in Dublin, Ireland"<br /><br />He then qabalistically analyzes this sentence and mentions that:<br /><br />"Howth derives from the Norse, 'hoved', head. Some of the locals call it Ben Howth, but since Ben in Gaelic means head also, this is a wonderful redundancy: Head Head"<br /><br />Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-9572893706486477932013-09-16T12:07:54.954-07:002013-09-16T12:07:54.954-07:00I'll leave it up because like your recommendat...I'll leave it up because like your recommendation of Yates. I know I'm overdue to read her myself. Real Soon Now, perhaps after Pynchon ... Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-68565698121730846282013-09-16T11:38:40.764-07:002013-09-16T11:38:40.764-07:00My mistake Tom, I did indeed misread what you wrot...My mistake Tom, I did indeed misread what you wrote. Feel free to delete the post. PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16215306032002676384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-78873099652735671782013-09-16T10:43:52.375-07:002013-09-16T10:43:52.375-07:00@PC I think you may have misread what I wrote. RAW...@PC I think you may have misread what I wrote. RAW spelled it "Francis." <br /><br />Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-63798639096080966952013-09-16T10:06:00.713-07:002013-09-16T10:06:00.713-07:00We also learn that Kierkegaard was a compulsive ma...We also learn that Kierkegaard was a compulsive masturbator (8). Manic The Doodlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13229987608553832866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-75018892811187901722013-09-16T09:54:23.036-07:002013-09-16T09:54:23.036-07:00Please note: "Frances" is the female ver...Please note: "Frances" is the female version of "Francis". Because the author in question, Dame Frances Amelia Yates, is indeed a woman the spelling is actually correct. Old Bob has not exposed his ignorance in this particular case. As for Dame Yates, she is a very interesting author and historian whose works are well worth exploring.PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16215306032002676384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-21614049641909916812013-09-16T09:33:49.363-07:002013-09-16T09:33:49.363-07:00As long as we're picking on old Bob. On page 2...As long as we're picking on old Bob. On page 20 of my New Falcon edition he says "mahon" is gaelic for bear. Then riffs on this a few other times with spelling variants. The gaelic for bear is... béar. "Mahon" to me sounds a lot like the way you say "Mó thoin" which means "my ass." So either RAW just got his facts wrong on that one or maybe (more likely in my opinion) he's having one over on us in his routine effort to keep us questioning everything, including himself.gacordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664333796816042721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-34439266859279685732013-09-16T07:06:20.400-07:002013-09-16T07:06:20.400-07:00Tony, thanks for pointing out the typo. Now fixed....Tony, thanks for pointing out the typo. Now fixed.<br /><br />Supergee, Agreed. When I interviewed Teresa Nielsen Hayden about copyediting The Widow's Son, she mentioned RAW's spelling. Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-59810627753827126742013-09-16T05:22:34.271-07:002013-09-16T05:22:34.271-07:00Yates died the same day I was born.Yates died the same day I was born.fuzzbuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17106070724735052653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-77252038350294858412013-09-16T04:14:41.661-07:002013-09-16T04:14:41.661-07:00Small thing, but the bookstore is actually Brown a...Small thing, but the bookstore is actually Brown and Nolan, Its a common Irish name (my parent's neighbours and the local large supermarket are both Nolans). tony smythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771763749137149585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-79634103678157903262013-09-16T02:57:52.528-07:002013-09-16T02:57:52.528-07:00Wilson is a prime example of how bad spelling does...Wilson is a prime example of how bad spelling doesn't mean one is stupid: "excercize," "Lawrence" Sterne.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com