tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post1054216141320815138..comments2024-03-28T22:15:25.617-07:00Comments on RAWIllumination.net: Week 51, Illuminatus online reading groupCleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-35659660182648823482015-02-13T10:06:17.601-08:002015-02-13T10:06:17.601-08:00At OZ Fritz: There was a recent brewhaha over a bo...At OZ Fritz: There was a recent brewhaha over a book on Crowley written by a famous 'nationalist anarchist'<br /><br />http://wildhunt.org/2011/06/esoteric-publishers-crowley-and-the-new-right.htmlJCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11273943256416418690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-44133337187338314802015-02-13T03:48:58.894-08:002015-02-13T03:48:58.894-08:00I read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead when in Hig...I read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead when in High School. Thought they had some good ideas, but didn't care so much for Rand's writing. Sometimes her excessively overwrought, often inclement, occasionally clement viscous verbosity opaquely obscurated the arborescent schema (to borrow a term from my latest fav philosphers Deleuze and Guttari)intended.<br /><br />I read Illuminatus! a few years later and found it much funnier. It appears much more of a rhizome. ( D & G again).<br /><br />Along with fyrefly, the political philospophy in Illuminatus! doesn't appear that obvious to me. More examples from the text might be helpful. Crowley also writes and highly endorses personal Liberty in his philosophy, but I'm not aware of his ideology having much influence on Libertarians of any stripe. I could be wrong.Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-16943806002663985342015-02-10T02:33:49.032-08:002015-02-10T02:33:49.032-08:00P.543: 'Meanwhile, the Gateless Gate...and I c...P.543: 'Meanwhile, the Gateless Gate...and I compute'<br />I really like to meditate on the moments at which the narrative transitions from different perspectives. Here we get a vista into what is doing the transition. The literal 'Ghost in the Machine'. Along these lines, in a few more weeks we shall have what I consider to be the 'Mindfuck' crescendo of the text...<br /><br />Following Beowulf's comments, I have been doing archival work on 20th century anti-authoritarianism in NYC, and one of the most important anarchist organizations (founded in 1946, as far as anyone can remember) is the Libertarian Book Club. In the 1980s a lot of the newer member were pushing to get the name changed to the 'Anarchist Forum' so as to avoid being confused with being 'Randoids'. They ended up keeping the name and adding the new one.<br />http://www.morc.info/MORC_LBC.htmlJCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11273943256416418690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-17206585440935486862015-02-10T02:32:20.008-08:002015-02-10T02:32:20.008-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.JCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11273943256416418690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-74189358711781373352015-02-09T18:49:12.341-08:002015-02-09T18:49:12.341-08:00Actually, "libertarian" started being us...Actually, "libertarian" started being used at the end of the 19th century after "anarchist" was slimed by bomb-throwing terrorists and state provocateurs. <br /><br />So, yes, the term has been around, but not used much as there really wasn't any "libertarian" political movement. The "anarchists" were busted on real or trumped up charges, and the only other political faction was the soviet-style Communists, never to be confused with any kind of "libertarians". <br /><br />More next week--I hope--when we get to Hagbard's shpiel on privilege. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-40185579052771041192015-02-09T16:51:46.965-08:002015-02-09T16:51:46.965-08:00This interesting question is worth an entire blog ...This interesting question is worth an entire blog post (and will get one soon) but briefly: I ran a search in an electronic text and the word "libertarian" appears 13 times, not just in the appendix but in various places in the novels (it was not a well-known term when Illuminatus was written, 1969-1971); "anarchist" or "anarchists" appear 41 times in the text; the folks name-checked in the text include Lysander Spooner, Ayn Rand and Benjamin Tucker. Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-31714684147943210612015-02-09T13:04:16.212-08:002015-02-09T13:04:16.212-08:00Just an honest question for those of you who'v...Just an honest question for those of you who've read <i>Illuminatus!</i> more times than I have.<br />Does the word "libertarian" appear anywhere in<br />the novel(s)? About how many times? Where? How about "anarchy"/"anarchist"/"anarchism"?<br /><br />BTW, there ought to be a <i>Skeleton Key to the Illuminatus! Trilogy</i> in print or online somewhere but there isn't...is there?fyreflyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03567375730311004673noreply@blogger.com