tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post1037959619905663968..comments2024-03-28T07:55:50.510-07:00Comments on RAWIllumination.net: Cosmic Trigger reading group pre-reading postCleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-46309227284105381202016-11-01T19:50:41.894-07:002016-11-01T19:50:41.894-07:00kerajinan kulit pari menjual berbagai macam produk...kerajinan kulit pari menjual berbagai macam produk berkualitas dengan harga yang murah.Produk paridjogja antara lain <br /><a href="http://paridjogja.com/category/dompet-pria/" rel="nofollow">Dompet Pria Kulit Pari</a> ada banyak pilihan dompet pria yang bisa anda dapatkan disini.Selain itu ada juga <br /><a href="http://paridjogja.com/category/dompet-wanita/" rel="nofollow">Dompet Wanita Kulit Pari</a> dengan berbagai model dan motif.Harga yang kami tawarkan cukup murah dan sangat bersahabat.Untuk anda yang sedang mencari souvenir unik dan berkelas,produk <br /><a href="http://paridjogja.com/category/gantungan-kunci/" rel="nofollow">Gantungan Kunci Kulit Pari</a> bisa menjadi pilihannya,selain unik,produk berbahan kulit ikan pari sangat awet dan tidak mudah rusak.Nah untuk itu anda bisa memiliki produk kulit ikan pari.Aksesoris <a href="http://paridjogja.com/category/gelang/" rel="nofollow">Gelang Kulit Pari</a> juga tersedia disini,ada banyak pilihan warna dan ukuran,silakan kunjungi website kami.Ada produk paling eksklusif yang bisa anda miliki yaitu <a href="http://paridjogja.com/category/ikat-pinggang/" rel="nofollow">Ikat Pinggang Kulit Pari</a> super awet dan tidak mudah rusak.Mau harga lebih murah?? beli minimal 3pcs untuk <a href="http://paridjogja.com/category/dompet-wanita/" rel="nofollow">Dompet Wanita Kulit Pari</a> dan 6pcs untuk <a href="http://paridjogja.com/category/dompet-pria/" rel="nofollow">Dompet Pria Kulit Pari</a><br />Paridjogjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11419102346773336952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-53296173499675533632016-04-10T11:29:02.306-07:002016-04-10T11:29:02.306-07:00Timothy--Nice to hear your discovery story (and so...Timothy--Nice to hear your discovery story (and sorry about the peyote)--looking forward to reading your insight as the reading continues (and Keane's?)<br /><br />Simon Moon--Awesome to have you in the group! As someone who shared water with the source (and a sufi fan), you have a lot to offer those of us with a more tangential experience of Old Bob. Please keep sharing.chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-50540948050280865502016-04-08T12:23:23.688-07:002016-04-08T12:23:23.688-07:00In the fall of 1969 I leaped into the just-beginni...In the fall of 1969 I leaped into the just-beginning-to-ebb "Sixties" trying to feed myself selling the Chicago SEED. In the spring of '70 I somehow heard about an anarchist gathering that was going to be at Wobbly Hall on Lincoln.<br />And I met a bunch of people there who were the other pole of my life, along with the SEED, for years. We partied, hung out, lived together, and pulled occasional political actions. We invented a name for the group for each occasion. I missed the St. Patrick's Day leafleting under the name of the James Connolly Connection, but I named the St. Maccabeus Society (the Maccabees of the Hannukah story have beatified status in the Roman Church, so they're my patron saints of heroic peoples' liberation struggles against genocidal imperialistic aggressors) when we marched in Evanston's Fourth of July Parade.<br />But the longest ongoing political thing was arguing about what to call ourselves. I jokingly began calling us the Nameless Anarchist Horde, and that stuck as much as anything. Shea used it when he sent out the mailings about upcoming whatever. I still have a couple of tatteted copies of The Nameless Newsletter.<br />Later, I really don't remember when, I found out that two of the guys were writing a book.<br />I magnificently disrupted my life spending a year going around the world from '75 to '76, westward starting in Australia. I visited the Wilsons in Berkeley on the way out. Somewhere in the conversation Arlen asked, "Do you have sufis in Chicago yet? They're all over out here, but it usually takes three years for something to get back to Chicago."<br />When I eventually arrived in Singapore (Commonwealth!) after a couple of fabulous but reading deprived months in Indonesia, I reveled in a bookstall with square yards of Penguins. A couple said "Sufi", so I got a couple. My debt to Arlen is immeasurable.<br />I also got the first two thirds of Illuminatus!. I found the third in Jerusalem.<br />After I got back, on my next visit to California (i.e., the SF Bay area), staying at my new friend Catherine's place in Kensington, I walked along the hills to the huge house with the huge view the Wilsons were living in (with half a dozen other people to split the rent). In the conversation, I <br />[When I try to describe Illuminatus!, I tell people that one of the authors' central objectives was that when you finish the book you really aren't sure what was real and what the authors made up. But one thing that's totally clear is that they stole material anywhere they could find it. So the Horde in there in a variety of guises, including some of their cats.]<br />hesitantly asked Bob, I saw a bunch of the others in the book but not myself. Without a beat he replied, "Simon Moon is a composite." Well, I was a math major, my hair was legendary, and I'm sometimes a loose cannon. I'm name checked in Schroedinger's Cat, and so is my hair.<br /><br />So with all love and respect, it was Arlen who helped expand my consciousness more than I'm aware that Bob did, and my relationship was the sort where I once got flea bites crashing on their couch in Santa Cruz after a Dead show at Shoreline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-31143455771475853472016-04-08T10:19:07.170-07:002016-04-08T10:19:07.170-07:00In 1984 I was traveling with my friend Keane in th...In 1984 I was traveling with my friend Keane in the Southwest. We were ostensibly attempting to find peyote somewhere out in the desert (how ridiculously naive we were!); otherwise we were just having a good time checking out the desert environment which we had never been to before. We were in I think Tuscon and found a book store. It just so happened that Henry Rollins was doing a reading that afternoon and we hung out all day waiting to see him. I was always keen in those days to find new books on my obsessions with UFOs, strange phenomena, music, new age, human potential, etc. In the New Age section I found these books by Wilson. I'm not sure if I had heard of him before, but I picked up Cosmic Trigger and was sufficiently intrigued to buy it. I spent the rest of the trip engrossed in this book, reading select tidbits to Keane when I wasn't driving. RAW has since become a huge influence in my life and thinking.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17488021197534018379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-54406699414976556352016-04-07T13:04:13.121-07:002016-04-07T13:04:13.121-07:00Nothing to sign up for, Rob--Just come back each w...Nothing to sign up for, Rob--Just come back each week and offer your unique perspective!chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-60695435906470854102016-04-07T09:32:14.172-07:002016-04-07T09:32:14.172-07:00Hey all, just found out about this and wanted to s...Hey all, just found out about this and wanted to sign up.<br /><br />I discovered RAW aged 19 in the late 90s. I was living in Brighton in the UK, a hot bed of radical subversion and borderline personality disorders at that time. I was involved on the edges of the anarchist/ squatting scene when I met this guy who identified himself as a chaos magician. I was already interested in Crowley via being into the music outfit Coil, Throbbing Gristle etc. We sat at a bus stop while he explained the 23 enigma and a number of bus number 23s sailed nonchalantly past. I decided I was either being expertly groomed or There Was Something In This. Fortunately I decided the latter and RAW's works have been helping to turn my life arse over tits ever since (often in a good way). RobAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06580323945651916263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-16169305200113774482016-04-07T09:30:32.420-07:002016-04-07T09:30:32.420-07:00Hey all, just found out about this and wanted to s...Hey all, just found out about this and wanted to sign up.<br /><br />I discovered RAW aged 19 in the late 90s. I was living in Brighton in the UK, a hot bed of radical subversion and borderline personality disorders at that time. I was involved on the edges of the anarchist/ squatting scene when I met this guy who identified himself as a chaos magician. I was already interested in Crowley via being into the music outfit Coil, Throbbing Gristle etc. We sat at a bus stop while he explained the 23 enigma and a number of bus number 23s sailed nonchalantly past. I decided I was either being expertly groomed or There Was Something In This. Fortunately I decided the latter and RAW's works have been helping to turn my life arse over tits ever since (often in a good way). RobAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06580323945651916263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-57930360100410677462016-04-07T06:57:45.201-07:002016-04-07T06:57:45.201-07:00Super Oz-some to see you here, man behind the curt...Super Oz-some to see you here, man behind the curtain--looking forward to you insights and experiences re CT as the weeks roll on!<br /><br />Dustin--Funny thing i bought "nothing in this book is true" because of the Bob reference--welcome aboard!<br /><br />gacord--interesting observation about the "age of introduction"--definitely interested in your perspective on CT--invite your friends, too!chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-53933412280760141822016-04-05T09:58:13.386-07:002016-04-05T09:58:13.386-07:00Great intro and introductory idea! I was around 2...Great intro and introductory idea! I was around 20 (somewhere in the 1990 range) I find it intriguing that the starting ages seem similar even though the decades might be different. I was working as an art handler and most of my coworkers were artists. I played guitar. All were older than me by at least 10 years. I was already interested in conspiracy theories and reading Crowley et al by then. One day after some particularly "deep" conversations about art, philosophy, conspiracies... you know, your average work day, one fella said, "I have a book you should read. I'll warn you ahead of time. It's acid in book form." Having never dropped acid, I was nonetheless intrigued. He brought Illuminatus! (I later learned this was the omnibus edition) to me the next day. I read it. My earth shook. Next he lent me the Shroedinger's Cat Trilogy. I've been doomed ever since. I started hunting down everything RAW wrote. Some I found in lending libraries, some I found in half price book shops, some in a local O.T.O. shop in Dallas. I can't remember the order but I'm pretty certain I went through the all historical illuminati books before read CT. I didn't get to books like Prometheus Rising and Quantum Psychology until I found Tom's blog here.gacordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664333796816042721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-44437349335307410672016-04-05T03:07:39.062-07:002016-04-05T03:07:39.062-07:00Neal Wilgus and I have never met, but we exchange ...Neal Wilgus and I have never met, but we exchange writings.<br /><br />The Oxford philosopher Gilbert Ryle ridiculed mind-body dualism as “the ghost in the machine,” thus demonstrating the adage that a good slogan can stop though for a generation. Thinking of numbers as complex, with real and imaginary parts (like life) and knowing that geometrically there is nothing special about three dimensions suggests better images.<br /><br /><i>Cosmic Trigger</i> was originally published in 1977, and I found it at Weiser’s bookstore.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-91825037082198510552016-04-04T13:30:34.406-07:002016-04-04T13:30:34.406-07:00I stumbled across Cosmic Trigger, my intro to RAW,...I stumbled across Cosmic Trigger, my intro to RAW, at the age of 23. It was 1997, and I was seeking "enlightenment." I was a graduate of the east coast Rave scene where I majored in candy-flipping. At the time I was attracted to "The Politics of Ecstacy" because I thought it was about MDMA. I became a devoted Learyite by the end of that book.<br /><br />I ran across a reference to CT on the back of a book called "Nothing in This Book Is True." I didnt like this book, but that reference stuck in my head. Something about it being a psychedelic mind bender. When I first saw CT at a Barnes and Nobles, being a fan of Learys I noticed the forward by him. I figured it couldn't be that bad. Little did I know the trigger would blow my mind, and I never fully recovered...Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968801826154491945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-54496507248144372382016-04-04T11:46:51.247-07:002016-04-04T11:46:51.247-07:00I believe it was in 1980 at the age of 21 that I j...I believe it was in 1980 at the age of 21 that I joined a band called Relay as their soundman/roadie. The lightman, Bob Gregory, was 5 or 6 years older and he had a modest occult library of excellent titles that he took with him whenever we were on the road. I ended up sharing a house with him. He turned me on to qabala, Crowley and Israel Regardie and told me about this incredible, very difficult to get book that was like a Rosetta Stone for occultism and science. That book was Cosmic Trigger. It couldn't be found where I lived, Calgary, but I finally found a copy at a O.T.O. owned bookstore in Edmonton. It changed my life. Oz Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061222169144560970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-19346981268081365682016-04-04T06:28:37.613-07:002016-04-04T06:28:37.613-07:00When I was in college (1974-1978, University of Ok...When I was in college (1974-1978, University of Oklahoma), I fell in with a group of libetarian science fiction fans. (There was considerable overlap between the campus libertarian group, and the campus science fiction club, OUSFA, which I formed with some friends). I must have heard about the Illuminatus! trilogy from them (although I really can't remember.) I still have those Dell paperbacks; according to them, the books originally came out in late 1975, so perhaps I came across them in 1976 or 1977.<br /><br />For the next several years, as a result of Illuminatus!, I read libertarian books such as Murray Rothbard's "For a New Liberty" and Jerome Tuccile's "It Usually Begins With Ayn Rand," but also any Wilson books I could find. "The Illuminati Papers," Sphere Books Unlimited, copyright 1982 in Great Britain -- I must have found that thing as an SF convention. My Pocket Books paperback of Cosmic Trigger says its first printing was in March 1978, although I can't tell when my copy was printed. It's quite possible I found my copy when Charles found his. For several years, I used to go up to Boulder/Denver after college to visit friends or attend SF conventions (I worked at a newspaper in Lawton, Oklahoma, after college), so my path could have more or less crossed with Charles'. Cleveland Okie (Tom Jackson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07810736442596736041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-26800124817544001402016-04-04T06:16:31.464-07:002016-04-04T06:16:31.464-07:00Thanks for chiming in, Arthur. I'd love to hea...Thanks for chiming in, Arthur. I'd love to hear some stories about Neal--from my research it appears that The Iluminoids was his only full length book and that as a writer he mostly sticks to poetry and reviews. I'd also love to hear your thoughts on mind-body multidimensionality!<br /><br />I'm sure that your long history with All Things Bob will help make this reading Fertile and Enlightening!chashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923105949653410251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5887440039323868659.post-22882075908529679692016-04-04T02:42:43.174-07:002016-04-04T02:42:43.174-07:00I’m still in touch with Neal Wilgus, who remains a...I’m still in touch with Neal Wilgus, who remains an amusing guy.<br /><br />I became a RAW fan in the 60s, reading him in <i>The Realist</i>. The first thing of his that I specifically remember reading (1965 or so) was an attack on mind-body dualism in which he suggested that intellectuals who supported "the murderous abstractions of Joseph Stalin" did so because they were incapable of "loving flesh." Though I loved some people and did not love Joseph Stalin or his murderous abstractions, there seemed to be something wrong with that formulation. Eventually, by a process much slower than <i>Treppenwitz</i>, I put together a comeback: "Of course I love flesh. That's why I eat some of it every day." I was wrestling with multidimensional geometry in grad school and decided that it offered a better approach to mind-body issues than any other, an idea that might not have come to me had I not read RAW.<br /><br />I followed him from then, tracking down the Playboy books, and even <i>The Sex Magicians</i>, read the Trilogy as it was published, and started the <i>Illuminatus! Nut Cult</i> because no one else had. So I was ready for <i>Cosmic Trigger</i>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com